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[–]oakreef 6 points7 points ago

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I'm only dipping my toes a little into UK politics now with all the Brexit stuff but I find some of the discussions about Labour and Corbyn really annoying like "oh well the party doesn't like him because he only appeals to hardcore labour voters and ideologies and they want to appeal to Tory voters so he needs to go".

Like god you're actually encouraging parties to drop any ideology and put up whatever front gets votes from pricks and framing it like it's a good thing???

I mean it doesn't exactly surprise me and Irish politics isn't any better but it's still annoying and awful

[–]turtlebones420 8 points9 points ago

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It's such a fucking mess. Basically the PLP was mostly appointed during the Blairite era or were supporters, so they're from the centrist, soft-left-in-theory-but-centre-right-in-practice tradition. They believe that to get the party 'electable' again they need to tack right, and address people's 'concerns' about immigration, i.e., more shit like this

For a long time the base of the Labour party has been to the left of its MPs, and through a combination of discipline and making promises (that were never kept), the parliamentary party has been able to keep a lid on that. But it just got worse over time, as austerity hit the base moved to the left, and the parliamentary party swerved right. Labour has abstained on, and even sometimes voted for, terrible cuts because the parliamentary party wants to look "repsonsible".

And now, this very same faction that just lost two general elections in a row are trying to oust the leader elected with 59.5% of the member's vote in the first round, who has the backing of the unions, local parties, and was getting increasingly popular with the public. This coup was planned for months, and in those months, nobody thought to agree on who among them would stand for leadership, or what to do if Jeremy didn't just obediently resign when they asked him nicely to do so.

The people doing this are clueless, inept, out of touch, and above all fucking incompetent. I hope to God they don't by some miracle succeed, because then the only politician in mainstream politics who isn't anti-immigration will be fucking gone.

Sorry, I realise you didn't ask for a rant about Labour. I'm just so tired. Can Scotland just fucking annex the rest of the UK please.

[–]oakreef 4 points5 points ago

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So basically I should pray corbyn gets relected as leader by the party members and is able to get all the blairsies to split off or fall in line and gets some actual left wing MPs info parliament ?

[–]turtlebones420 5 points6 points ago

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That's what I'm praying for, but even if he isn't elected, the cat's out of the bag now. The party members aren't going to go back to being silenced for the sake of 'electability', especially when the people telling them that just lost two general elections in a row, and the entirety of Scotland.

[–]oakreef 2 points3 points ago

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It's so weird on reddit /r/unitedkingdom seeing people making sincere arguments like "labour needs to be more centrist/right to get elected Corbyn won't win elections" as if the concern of people who support Corbyn is that they want a party with the name "Labour" in government and not that they want a left wing party. "All you need to do is vote for the candidate that doesn't align with your politics at all and then you'll win! This totally makes sense!"

[–]turtlebones420 2 points3 points ago

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The idea that a party full of people who voted in favour of and still defend the Iraq war will be electable after the Chilcot Report is published in 5 days is ridiculous.

I hate ideas and strategies that prioritize 'gaining power' as the end goal rather than, say, what one does with power.